Legislature(2021 - 2022)

04/22/2022 09:00 AM House FINANCE

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10:02:26 AM Start
10:02:44 AM HB170
10:21:53 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
-- Delayed to 10:00 am --
+= HB 170 ENERGY INDEPENDENCE PROGRAM & FUND: AIDEA TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      April 22, 2022                                                                                            
                        10:02 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:02:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                     
to order at 10:02 a.m.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Kelly Merrick, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Dan Ortiz, Vice-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Ben Carpenter                                                                                                    
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Bart LeBon via Teleconference                                                                                    
Representative Sara Rasmussen via Teleconference                                                                                
Representative Steve Thompson                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative DeLena Johnson                                                                                                   
Representative Adam Wool                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
John Sonin, Self, Douglas.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Morgan  Neff, Chief  Investment  Officer, Alaska  Industrial                                                                    
Development  and  Export  Authority; Andrea  Feniger,  Self,                                                                    
Anchorage;  Phillip Moser,  Self,  Juneau; Margi  Dashevsky,                                                                    
Fairbanks  Climate   Action  Coalition,   Anchorage;  Curtis                                                                    
Thayer, Executive Director, Alaska Energy Authority.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HB 170    ENERGY INDEPENDENCE PROGRAM & FUND: AIDEA                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          HB 170 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick reviewed the agenda for the meeting.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 170                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act establishing  the  Alaska energy  independence                                                                    
     program and the Alaska  energy independence fund in the                                                                    
     Alaska  Industrial  Development and  Export  Authority;                                                                    
     and providing for an effective date."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:02:44 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick   indicated  the   bill  had   been  heard                                                                    
previously on  April 8, 2022.  She invited Mr. Neff  to make                                                                    
opening comments.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MORGAN  NEFF, CHIEF  INVESTMENT  OFFICER, ALASKA  INDUSTRIAL                                                                    
DEVELOPMENT    AND    EXPORT    AUTHORITY    (AIDEA)    (via                                                                    
teleconference),  indicated he  would  be following-up  with                                                                    
the information  requested at the previous  meeting in short                                                                    
order.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:03:54 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick OPENED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ANDREA  FENIGER,   SELF,  ANCHORAGE   (via  teleconference),                                                                    
opposed HB 170 as currently  written. Although she liked the                                                                    
idea of a  green bank, she did not think  AIDEA was the best                                                                    
entity to house the fund. The  entity had not reached out to                                                                    
the  community  for input  resulting  in  a lack  of  public                                                                    
trust. She appreciated the opportunity to testify.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:05:02 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PHILLIP MOSER,  SELF, JUNEAU (via teleconference),  spoke in                                                                    
opposition of  HB 170  because of  the sole  source contract                                                                    
awarded. He  agreed with the  idea of  a green bank  but did                                                                    
not feel  heard by  AIDEA. He  mentioned a  public testimony                                                                    
session  with  the  board  in  which  the  board  chair  had                                                                    
dismissed a person's testimony. He opposed the bill.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:07:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MARGI   DASHEVSKY,  FAIRBANKS   CLIMATE  ACTION   COALITION,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE  (via teleconference),  opposed HB  170 as  it was                                                                    
currently posed because the AIDEA  board lacked the in-house                                                                    
expertise,  public trust,  accountability, and  transparency                                                                    
necessary to  oversee the administration  of the  green bank                                                                    
that  Alaska needed.  She  mentioned  recently submitting  a                                                                    
letter  signed by  7 organizations  and 17  individuals. The                                                                    
parties supported the 35 percent  allocation to rural areas.                                                                    
She also  spoke of HB  271, the AIDEA reform  bill proposing                                                                    
many   needed   updates   to   AIDEA   including   increased                                                                    
legislative  oversight. She  was dismayed  that no  one from                                                                    
AIDEA  attended the  hearing  which  reiterated the  blatant                                                                    
disregard  for public  process. She  was encouraged  to hear                                                                    
that AIDEA was in attendance presently.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Dashevsky emphasized  that in order for a  green bank to                                                                    
succeed in Alaska,  there needed to be  officers well versed                                                                    
in interfacing  with individuals and businesses.  It was her                                                                    
understanding  that AIDEA  had not  reached out  to agencies                                                                    
with expertise such as the  Alaska banking community, credit                                                                    
unions, and  others. She thought  it would be  important for                                                                    
such  entities  like local  bank  branches  to be  the  ones                                                                    
interfacing   with   public   loan  applicants   for   loans                                                                    
administered  by  the  green  bank.  Furthermore,  the  bill                                                                    
needed  substantial  amendments  to  remove  loopholes  that                                                                    
could undermine its legislative  intent. The primary purpose                                                                    
of  any project  funded  by a  green bank  must  be used  to                                                                    
reduce  greenhouse  gas  emissions  and/or  increase  energy                                                                    
efficiency.  She also  argued  that  decision makers  should                                                                    
include  state  and  tribal   experts  with  backgrounds  in                                                                    
traditional  ecological knowledge,  clean energy,  and green                                                                    
economies.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Dashevsky hoped  the legislature would take  the time to                                                                    
amend the bill  to ensure a transparent  and public process.                                                                    
She  also  suggested  making  sure   to  include  prior  and                                                                    
informed consent  for all affected  tribes. She  thanked the                                                                    
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:10:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOHN SONIN,  SELF, DOUGLAS, spoke  in opposition of  HB 170.                                                                    
He agreed with the  previous testifier's testimony. He spoke                                                                    
of things  other than the bill.  He did not want  to see the                                                                    
funds utilized for personal gain.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:14:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick  indicated  the   fiscal  notes  would  be                                                                    
reviewed. The  first fiscal  note was  by the  Alaska Energy                                                                    
Authority with a control code  UROxV. She invited Mr. Thayer                                                                    
to review the note.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:14:41 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CURTIS THAYER,  EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, ALASKA  ENERGY AUTHORITY                                                                    
(AEA) (via  teleconference), reported  that the  fiscal note                                                                    
provided for one  analyst to be housed within  AEA to assist                                                                    
in  doing the  analysis with  AIDEA's program.  The position                                                                    
would augment  what AEA did  not currently have  in internal                                                                    
resources as  it did the  evaluation, particularly  in rural                                                                    
Alaska, to identify possible green bank loan selections.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick invited  Mr. Neff from AIDEA  to review the                                                                    
second fiscal note with control code jrjZd.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:16:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Neff wanted to make  sure he was referencing the correct                                                                    
fiscal note, as  there were 2 from AIDEA.  He asked Co-Chair                                                                    
Merrick  to specify  which fiscal  note he  was supposed  to                                                                    
review.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick referenced  the  fiscal note  with an  OMB                                                                    
component number of 1234.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Neff  reported that  it was  an operating  budget fiscal                                                                    
note and  was based  on additional position  control numbers                                                                    
that would  be needed  to facilitate the  administration and                                                                    
management  of  the  Alaska  Energy  Independence  Fund.  It                                                                    
included  a  project  manager, port  folio    analyst,  loan                                                                    
servicing   officer,  administrative   assistant,  and   the                                                                    
analyst that  was in the  fiscal note just described  by Mr.                                                                    
Thayer. Travel  costs, service  costs, and  commodities were                                                                    
also incorporated  in the  note. In the  first year,  FY 23,                                                                    
there was an  offset for a 6 month start-up  process. It was                                                                    
annualized at the full  operating expense amount thereafter.                                                                    
It was  important to note that  the fund was designed  to be                                                                    
self-sufficient  to cover  the costs  so that  no additional                                                                    
UGF  appropriations  would be  needed  from  the state.  The                                                                    
monies would come out of  the receipts from the returns from                                                                    
the Energy Independence Fund.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:17:37 AM                                                                                                                   
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:18:50 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick  indicated  that the  fund  capitalization                                                                    
fiscal  note  was  being  revised   and  included  the  fund                                                                    
capitalization  of  $30  million  by  the  House  Labor  and                                                                    
Commerce  Committee.  It  would  be  reviewed  at  a  future                                                                    
meeting.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Thompson   asked  a   clarifying   question                                                                    
regarding  the number  of added  positions. He  suggested it                                                                    
appeared that 5 people would be added each year.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Neff  responded that  it was 5  positions on  an ongoing                                                                    
basis.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Thompson  thought   the  fiscal   note  was                                                                    
confusing.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson asked  about  receipts since  they                                                                    
were relative to the fiscal note.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Neff responded  that the receipts were  outlined just as                                                                    
AIDEA's operating budget  was capitalized. Alaska Industrial                                                                    
Development and  Export Authority  was a  public corporation                                                                    
and  a  self-sustaining  organization within  the  State  of                                                                    
Alaska.  Receipts  were  provided  through  the  returns  of                                                                    
AIDEA's  programs  including  the Energy  Independence  Fund                                                                    
program if the legislation were to pass.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick reviewed the agenda for the afternoon.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:21:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:21 a.m.                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 170 Public Testimony Rec'd by 042122.pdf HFIN 4/22/2022 9:00:00 AM
HB 170